Andres interview about mental health, self care, advice and much more
Please introduce yourself (however you want) state your hobbies/interest and an interesting fact about yourself.
My name is Andrés. I’m originally from the Bronx, but I currently live in Wilmington, North Carolina where I work for a tech company. In my spare time, I train in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, sample new beers, and hang out with my girlfriend. Something interesting about me is that my student loan debt is about four times the national average, so right off the bat you know one of my biggest stressors.
What is your experience with mental health and how has it impacted your life? Can you also describe your physiological and emotional responses?
For most of my life, I’d say I was pretty much mentally “stable” (whatever that means). Now, I have depression and anxiety, and they just kind of cycle into each other.
My first anxiety attack came midway through senior year of college. I was so scared because I had never experienced anything like that before. I was alone in my room and my heart just started racing. It also felt like someone was driving their finger through my chest. I became like hyper-aware of my existence, and with that came a hyper-awareness of my mortality. Existential dread was the follow-up, and finally a deep sadness because I’m going to die one day and it literally won’t matter.
When that all first started it felt like it was never going to end; like I was never going to be able to think or feel the same. Eventually, through therapy and plain ol’ breathing exercises, I started managing it a little bit.
A few years later, my girlfriend of seven years broke up with me and I truly thought I was going to kill myself. It wasn’t 100% because I got dumped. It was all of the sudden changes that I was going to go through: going from a home shared with someone you loved to a tiny bedroom in a house being shared by four strangers and having roommates for the first time since freshman year of college; having to throw things away because they don’t fit in the new tiny space; regretting decisions made years prior, etc.
Overall, its impact in my life has mostly been detrimental. I’ve lost friends, disconnected from family, and the biggest one is it has inhibited my ability to make new friends. All in, I could probably count all of the friends and family I’m close with on two hands.
I know when I’m depressed (besides the dark thoughts and despair) because my face feels heavy, like I have a weighted mask on and it’s pulling my face down a half-inch. I know I’m anxious because my heart beats way too fast. In both cases, I’m very irritable and tend to lash out at all the wrong people. I also cycle between being very tired and restless.
What stigmas have you face considering your ethnicity and mental health?
The only real stigma is internal. It’s taboo to talk about mental health in most Hispanic households. I got lucky-ish, because I have an older cousin who’s a social worker and studied psychology so coming up I kind of remember her talking about her studies. So at least my family knew and kind of understood the value of mental health awareness. From my experience, a lot of POC families, particularly the elders, are ignorant of deeper mental states. If you’re very obviously depressed, they only recognize it as sad and try to provide comfort (if that’s even an option) like it’s just the normal sad we’re supposed to experience. Still, it wasn’t like my family was openly talking about their thoughts and feelings in that way. It wasn’t until my other cousin got diagnosed with schizophrenia that mental health awareness was essentially forced on to the family.
I do always wonder what the therapists I’ve seen think about me. All of my therapists have been white people, mainly women (very intentional and I’ll talk on that in a bit). I wonder if the way they treat me is different than how they treat their white patients. I have no real way of knowing, but I have a feeling that they do. It’s not particularly a bad thing, I’m just curious.
Then there’s internal stigma within myself. Like I mentioned before, I only see white therapists. Is that part of the problem? Maybe. But I honestly wouldn’t feel comfortable speaking with a therapist that looks like me. I think it’s because they’re most likely still going through the internal struggle I’m still going through in terms of trying to be more open about mental health but simultaneously holding back to not offend the cultural standard. I need the person I’m talking to not have that internal dilemma because I need them to help me fix mine.
What is self care to you and do you practice it? if so, how?
Self-care is looking out for number one and more importantly, reminding yourself that you are number one. I need to constantly remind myself that I need to get better for myself, not for others. I sometimes get too hung up on what other people may think of me or having to get better for others.
The most important thing for me is to do stuff I like in an effort to elevate my mood, not to distract from my issues. I used to go through the motions of things I liked doing to help me pretend like I wasn’t thinking of killing myself. That isn’t healthy because subconsciously those thoughts are just compounding and will suddenly takeover. Now when I do something that brings me genuine joy and pleasure, I work hard to remind myself why I do those things and to make sure I find the pleasure in that moment, otherwise it’s just a distraction.
How has your family/friends reacted to your issues with mental health? Consider your environment too
My mom has been as supportive as she knows how to be. I think telling her I get depressed scared her. My cousin with schizophrenia I mentioned before killed himself. He was depressed.
I’ve lost friends because of my mental health. I’ve push some away unintentionally. I did have to cut one out of my life. She was trying to help me during the time that I was considering suicide. She didn’t like the memes I was sharing and she wanted to talk to me about it. (Side note relevant to this story: when I get really depressed, one of my coping mechanisms is sharing memes on social media. The more depressed, the darker the memes. They are literally the only thing that make me crack a real smile during those times.) However, the way she did it was just straight wrong. Fortunately, in that particular moment I was just regular depressed, not suicidal, because I probably would’ve killed myself that night. And I can’t blame her. She tried her best, but it shouldn’t be her responsibility and I didn’t want to put that on her. So I stopped talking to her and literally haven’t seen her since that night almost two years ago. My girlfriend now is very supportive. She almost committed suicide a few years ago, so she just gets it. We look out for each other now.
Why is it important for people of color especially to acknowledge mental health issues and practice self care?
Well a lot of our mental health problems are cultural and generational. We’re already starting this race through life a hundred miles before the start line. That burden plus the fact that we as a culture decided at some point that we can’t/won’t address it is the formula for failure. That effects how we treat each other. I firmly believe that most violence in the hood would cease to exist if the homies would just talk to a therapist and learned real coping techniques or if at the very least parents let kids express emotions. “Bad behavior” is just pent up anger and sorrow without any proper outlet.
Does spirituality/religion effect your self care practices or has it hindered your progress?
Nah, religion is part of the reason I fall into deeper depressions. I don’t really believe in anything religious/spiritual. When I get into these existential crises, I realize I don’t have the safety net of heaven or hell, and it scares the shit out of me. Weirdly, there are moments when that idea is comforting.
Any advice for anyone going through suicide, depression, anxiety, etc.
It can only get better if you’re alive. Depression, anxiety, and anything else is temporary, even if you go through multiple episodes. Everyone has a way to get through those episodes. It just takes time to find that way through. Sometimes it’s the smallest thing that gets you through it. One time I had a full-blown panic attack because I was worried about paying bills. I woke up at three in the morning just sweating and just wanted to run my head into a wall. I decided to just pay a random bill and that calmed me down for some reason. I don’t know why, but it did it.
Any advice for friends/family on helping their loved on overcome/survive their experience?
So going off that story I mentioned with my friend, here’s what she did and I’ll break it down by what she did right and what she did wrong.
Right: Being willing and able to overcome whatever personal discomfort you have on the topic and actually talking to the depressed/suicidal person.
Wrong: Choose your words precisely. Even if you don’t think you’re sounding confrontational or argumentative, you may still come across as such. In my situation, my friend was trying a tough love approach, which in literally any other situation would’ve worked on me. However, when someone is depressed, they usually hate themselves. This just came across as piling on.
Right: She took me to a neutral space she thought I would feel comfortable in and she felt comfortable in as well. This is very important and can be very difficult, because that person may not want to leave their own space.
Wrong: That place was the local bar and she added booze into the equation. Never try to get a suicidal or depressed person drunk or high to “take off the edge”.
Right: She mentioned all of the friends I had and how much they care.
Wrong: The way she laid it out made it seem (in the state I was in, at least) like they were talking shit about me behind my back and it fell on her to say something to me.
But really, just come from a place of love and no judgement. Each person will be different, and if you’re someone who cares enough about someone to try to help them through this kind of thing, you probably know them well enough to know what will help them specifically.
Top 5 artist/books/tv shows/songs (whatever top 5 you want or it can be a mix lol)
Top 5 Artists (I’m assuming music haha):
-Frank Sinatra
-J. Cole
-Brendan Urie from Panic! At The Disco
-Sam Smith
-Kendrick Lamar
Top 5 Books:
-Fahrenheit 451
-1984
-The whole Fire & Ice series
-American Gods
-The Smuggler
Top 5 TV Shows:
-Battlestar Galactica
-Scrubs
-Game of Thrones
-Supernatural
-Katekyo Hitman Reborn
Lada: I’ve known Andres since high school. I always appreciate him being open and honest about his journey with mental health issues. I think it is very powerful to get the many different perspectives of people who deal with mental health issues. Thank you for sharing your experience with us! You are so appreciated.